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Ben Penny
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10/05/2018 6:38 pm  

Hello Everyone My Name is Ben and iam a college student from the wirral studying computer science. And I've recently just subscribed to the wargamer online youtube channel and found there videos about the wargamer online chronicles and iam completely new to wargames however I have in the past painted some ww2 army models so have some experience with painting models. I have always been into fantasy so I've decided to start my first army and use the age of sigmar system and video log it on my youtube channel and as part of wargamer online chronicles 2018 on my youtube channel I upload gaming videos, homemade trading card games, boardgames, game development videos and more. I want to start doing war game related videos on my channel. I still havnt decided which army to go for yet but I would need to know what to consider I would like an army that has models which look aesthetically good but also will want to play competativly when I get the chance at my local game store. Any Advice would be greatly appreciated thankyou. Looking to hopefully start buying models for my army in the next couple of months or so.

Carnt wait to get into this amazing hobby.


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Coleman
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10/05/2018 7:19 pm  

Hello, Ben!

Welcome to the Forum! It's great to see another person making a jump from watching the shows.

As for the army choice... It is a very personal thing. Some people will choose based on the look, some on the competitiveness, and some other based on the lore of the faction. But I think it is a safe advice to say, that whatever you chose, you need to like your army first. If you go for a faction that tends to win tournaments but you don't feel any sentiment towards the models, it's not going to work in the long run. So think about what you like, then think about your preferred play style. Some armies are better at long range combat, come crash into the opponents like an avalanche of rhinos, others are based around magic etc... So have a look at the armies listed on the GW website, see what tickles your fancy and report back, we'll be able to advice you then on how the ones you like play.

 

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Ben Penny
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10/05/2018 10:07 pm  

Hello I have gone on the game workshop website and looked at age of sigmar armies and made a list of ones I like. I have a long list 20 armies I like the look of I would like to know how their playstyles plz and if any of them are competitive as I want to play competitivly in my local game store. I also want to know if any of them will be able to not have a hard time when new releases come out this year plz. I also want to kno which ones are cheap or cheaper plz.

The Armies I like the look of are;

Stormcast Eternals, Idoneth Deepkin, Seraphon, Daughters of Khaine, Kharadon Overlords, Sylvaneth, Fyreslayers, Wanderers, Dispossed, Blades of Khrone, Slaves to the Darkness, Clan Skryre, Legions of Nagash, Soulblight, Flesh-Eater Courts, Deathrattle, Deathlords, Beastclaw Raiders, Gutbusters, Maneaters.

 


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Ralph Hummel
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11/05/2018 8:04 am  

Hi Ben,

Right, where to start? I think you need to whittle the list of the armies down more before making a choice. The questions you ask are very pertinent, however there are no easy answers for you. Age of Sigmar is a game, where the play meta of any given army changes constantly with new releases for other armies, changes in the general handbook and sometimes even warscroll modifications. With that in mind, I believe there is no such thing as the best army for any given play-style.

My personal approach in this case would be to first whittle your exhaustive list down to two or maybe three choices. As a Newbee I would use the following variables to do that:

  • Variety of units available
  • Visuals
  • Is there a battletome available?
  • Is there a dedicated "Start collecting" box - you can't beat those with regards to price for new models
  • Can I get "cheap" pre-owned units on sites such as EBay or similar sites.
  • Watch battlereports to find out how your chosen armies fare.

You need to bear in mind though, that the meta for any army may change within a couple of months. What might be the most ferocious army right now, might be less so in a couple of months and vice veras. So first, I'd go out and make my mind, which of the armies looks you really like and then learn how to play them and use them best on the battlefield.

Hope that helps at least a little.

As always, all my best to you and your loved ones and keep hobbying!


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Coleman
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11/05/2018 8:52 am  

I can only seconded what Ralph said. One of the things you need to keep in mind, especially if you're planning on building and painting your models, is that each army will take time and, inevitably, money. Another thing is that, while some armies are a little bit unbalanced this way or the other, a faction choice does not bring an automatic success. You just simply can't be competitive without some skill and experience on the player's part, and a strong player with a 'weaker' army is still likely to win over an inexperienced player with even the strongest possible list.

If you do have a GW store in your area and you have the time for it, go and visit and observe some games. Otherwise, watch some battle reports on YouTube, or - even better - WargamerOnline's own. You can find them here.

If you have someone you could play some friendly games with, you could also consider using proxies for a few battles, just to get a feel for the rules, warscrolls and synergies. Just use your WW2 models (if you still have them) or anything else, really, as your AoS units. The core Age of Sigmar rules are free to download from the Games Workshop website, so between that and using the proxy, you could start practicing before you spend a single penny on the actual models.

Hope all this helps a little, and while they might not be direct answers to your questions, I hope you'll see the relevance of it all in the long run.

You and me, Lord. You and me.


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Michael Pipe
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11/05/2018 3:53 pm  
Posted by: Ben Penny

Hello I have gone on the game workshop website and looked at age of sigmar armies and made a list of ones I like. I have a long list 20 armies I like the look of I would like to know how their playstyles plz and if any of them are competitive as I want to play competitivly in my local game store. I also want to know if any of them will be able to not have a hard time when new releases come out this year plz. I also want to kno which ones are cheap or cheaper plz.

The Armies I like the look of are;

Stormcast Eternals, Idoneth Deepkin, Seraphon, Daughters of Khaine, Kharadon Overlords, Sylvaneth, Fyreslayers, Wanderers, Dispossed, Blades of Khrone, Slaves to the Darkness, Clan Skryre, Legions of Nagash, Soulblight, Flesh-Eater Courts, Deathrattle, Deathlords, Beastclaw Raiders, Gutbusters, Maneaters.

 

Hi there!

Now Ralph Hummel and Coleman's comments are spot on. Bear in mind that any recommendations you get will be based on the gaming preferences/environment of the speaker, so you should take them with a pinch of salt. That said, when I restarted this hobby a few years ago, seeking a little advice from an experienced source might have benefitted me, since my chaos space marines were rubbish on the tabletop, and having spent all that time and money on a rubbish army wasn't 100 per cent satisfying, albeit not enough to dissuade me from spending more time and money on stuff!

To that end, I can't really comment with any authority on all the armies you've listed. But there is an interesting vid on youtube by The Honest Wargamer that discusses the AoS start collecting boxes mostly in relation to how competitive they are, and for that reason it might be worth checking out. I'm sure it's fine to post the link here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHy__jj1_vQ

I hope it helps!


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Ben Penny
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12/05/2018 7:04 pm  

Hi everyone thanks for your tips I've now wittled my exhaustive list down to just 3 armies using the tips that Ralph gave me. The armies I have left on my list after considering a lot of factors are;

  • Kharadron Overlords 
  • Stormcast Eternals
  • Beastclaw Raiders 

Now I have done that what are the next steps in order to make a final decision on what army to choose out of the 3 left. 


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Rufus.T.Firefly
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13/05/2018 7:21 am  

Hi Ben,

 

I am in a relatively similar position, once I had watched enough BR's and understood how the game played/stats worked I went on the GW website. I found that for each model they sell there is a rules tab at the bottom which links you to a free pdf of that models stats. I found this very useful in working out which models I wanted (in your case may help which army you want).

 

As you are down to 3 armies it shouldn't take long, they seem to have 20 or less model types each so I opened a page for each one and compared.

 

hope this helps

H

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Ralph Hummel
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13/05/2018 12:56 pm  

Right, here are my two cents concerning the armies you prefer:

  1. Kharadron Overlords - this is an army, that works best with shooting units, because their melee skills are below average. Most units hit on 4+, 4+, with one attack per weapon. This means that with 10 warriors you will succeed your attacks 50% of the time (5 attacks) and of those you will succeed 50% of the time (2,5 potential wounds), prior to saves of the attacked unit . As there will be some modifications concerning the rules for shooting out of combat, this might have a negative impact on those units, but until we have the new rules and the General's Handbook, we won't really know. The models are pretty pricey and not many of them are available cheaply on the second hand market. Their Start collecting box is one of the few, that is not very good, because you do not get enough models in there, to be able to field a legal army in matched play (because you do not get a battle-line unit with the Starterbox.). But they look fantastic and I was tempted myself for some time.
  2. Stormcast Eternals - Trade of all jacks. If you know how to play them well, this is a pretty competitive army, although their melee stats are average, but because they are pretty resilient and even the measliest of units has more than 1 wound, they don't go down easily. The one area, where they fell down so far, was magic. But with AoS 2.0 on the horizon, a new chapter was revealed yesterday, that is all about magic. Huge variety of models and unit types out there (50+ with the new releases that have just been announced yesterday, in fact, this is the most flashed out army in AoS) and there is a pretty big aftermarket for your basic units due to the fact, that they are included in the starter boxes. You can pick them up pretty cheap on EBay and similar sites if you are a little patient and look long enough. The Start collecting box is pretty good value for money and provides you with a legal matched play army of about 700 points, if you add another couple of Retributors to meet the minimum model count requirement.
  3. Beastclaw Raiders - This is the army I know the least about, but it appears that for now it is a pretty competitive army, if the list is built well, hard an strong hitting, pretty resilient, but their Battletome is older (was one of the first published). Low model count, but not much variety available (I believe there are only 6 or 7 different units) and the kits are pretty big and not necessarily newbie-friendly when it comes to painting. As far as I am aware, the aftermarket is not very big, so chances of picking these models up cheaply are not very high. The start collecting box seems to be excellent value for money though and should be a great start to this army.

I hope these reflections help you. What I would do next, is reading myself through the warscrolls (available for free in the GW-website) to see if you like their rules and put maybe together a 1000 point list for each army (just search the web, you will find the points lists or use warscroll builder on the warhammer community pages for the points values) to work out how much this army would cost you (at GW retail) and which units you could get on the aftermarket or through other vendors at a discount.

Then, once you have made your selection, get the Battletome, because there are things in there, that add extra advantages to your army, refine if necessary your list and start collecting your units (I'd strongly suggest getting started with the Start Collecting boxes, as they are generally pretty good starting points for comparatively little money), one unit at a time in order not to explode your budget.

If you can't decide, which you want to do, there is noting wrong in working on two armies at the same time, but beware: it will cost you more and take you longer to finish. Everything else is up to you, mate. If you can find someone at a store or a local game group that plays of of these armies, maybe go and ask that person to show you the ropes before you commit.

But most of all have fun and don't just think about building an army to win, but build an army you like an cherish, no matter if they get nerved for some time. They will always bounce back sooner or later.

As always, all my best to you and your loved ones and keep hobbying!


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16/05/2018 10:32 pm  

Hi Ben

Welcome to the WGO Forum. I see you have already got some excellent advice for getting started in your Age of Sigmar hobby.

WGO are currently doing "WGO Chronicles 2018" a community hobbying event where we all commit to getting armies/units/models built and painted and post progress on the Forums here. It is a great way to get motivated so please do get involved and share how your getting on.

The community here is very friendly and is wealth of information for modelling/painting/gaming. Also, there are videos of painting tutorials, battle reports and product reviews for you to access. 

If you haven't already don't forget to join the Community Facebook group - search for 'Wargameronline Community'.

Welcome to the WGO!


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